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Permesso Di Soggiorno Part Two

Permesso di Soggiorno Part Two: The Paperwork, the Pizza, and the Existential Crisis

WOW. What a few weeks it’s been since I first wrote Part One of this bureaucratic opera disguised as a residency application. Welcome to Florence, where the wine flows, the tourists stumble, and the Italian government dares you to try and stay legally.

Florence: The Gateway Drug to Italy

Florence was a strategic choice. It’s tourist-friendly, which means if you butcher the language, they only half roll their eyes. You can survive your first few months on Google Translate, espresso, and blind optimism. I moved here thinking: “I’ve got this. I’m Italian. I was born in Caserta, Naples. I’ve got the cheekbones, the birth certificate and I’ve got…”

Oh no. No, no. What I had was delusion.

The Italian I Thought I Was

I grew up in Australia in a very Italian household, which basically means I was raised on pasta, guilt, and yelling. I kept the language up for a while, but life happened. Somewhere between kangaroos and corporate jobs, the fluency faded. I didn’t notice until I was trying to explain something to a local Florentine and realised I might’ve just told them their dog looked tasty. They nodded. I smiled. We both left confused.

Caserta: Homecoming, Headaches, and Baptismal Bureaucracy

Flash forward to me dragging myself (and my language-shattered ego) back to Caserta after 23 years. Cue dramatic train ride from Florence to Naples, then to Caserta. Cue existential weeping as I stood in front of my childhood home on Via Acquaviva. Also,. cue surprise hotel being right next to my cousin’s flat. You know, the cousin who was a child when I left Italy and was now a full-grown stranger politely pretending we had something in common.

My friend and I spent the evening eating glorious pizza and pretending we weren’t overwhelmed. The next morning, I was hugged and cheek-squeezed by my aunt and uncle, both of whom had aged like fine wine left in direct sunlight. We cried. A lot. Then we marched into the Caserta Comune where I asked for my birth certificate and was instead handed a Certificate of Baptism. Because in Italy, apparently, Jesus and your legal identity are interchangeable.

Naples: Where Road Rules Go to Die

Before heading back to Florence, we detoured through Naples, which is less a city and more a real-life video game where traffic laws are suggestions and pedestrians are bonus points. I’m convinced the locals play Grand Theft Auto: Zebra Crossing Edition.

We learned very quickly that in Naples, the correct response to a car speeding toward you on a pedestrian crossing is not to make eye contact and assert your rights… it’s to run. Run like the car owes you money. Every vehicle looked like it had survived a demolition derby. Honestly, we didn’t see a single undented car. Not one.

You’re Not as Italian as You Think, Darling

Here’s the thing I realised: I’m not Italian. I’m Australian with a side of trauma and tomato sauce. The cultural gap is real. In Italy, family comes first. Always. Even if Nonna’s been dead for a decade, she’s still calling the shots from beyond the grave.

Italian men don’t so much cut the cord as stretch it like mozzarella until Mamma gives permission. And food? It’s sacred. Fast food? Blasphemy. I once saw someone eat McDonald’s in Florence and swear I heard a priest cry in the distance.

Permesso di Soggiorno: Now with 80% More Confusion

Back in Florence, I had my second appointment at the Questura. I was scheduled for 8:52am, which sounds precise, but this is Italy, where time is a fluid concept and queuing is a full-contact sport.

I waited for sportello 14 while dodging a girl from China, a guy from Morocco, and an Indian nun who body-checked me with surprising grace. Once fingerprinted, signed, scanned, and slightly violated, I was told to go stand by a door. I stood there for four hours. Just… stood there. At one point I started questioning my own existence. Was I ever really born? Or was I created in that waiting room?

Eventually, more fingerprints, full handprints (because apparently my palms hold secrets), and another forest’s worth of paperwork. I was told I’d get a text in two months. Or a message from the Pope. Who knows.

Citizen or Tourist? The Great Italian Identity Crisis

The best part? While applying for a Permesso di Soggiorno (Permission to Stay), I was also applying for Italian citizenship. Yes. Simultaneously. Even the officer helping me looked confused. He shrugged in that very Italian way that said, “Sure, why not? Let’s roll those dice, amico.”

What does it all mean? Who knows. Maybe I’ll get a shiny new passport… or I’ll end up banned from re-entry. Maybe I’ll discover I’m actually Swiss.

Part Three Coming Soon (If I Survive)

So that’s Part Two of this spaghetti-flavoured saga. Tune in next time when I try to decode Italian citizenship law while dodging rogue Vespas and eating my feelings. Until then, have a wander through some of my newer blogs or my Memoir & Real Life category. Where bureaucracy, identity crises, and barely-controlled sarcasm are always on the menu.

 

Arrivederci.

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21 thoughts on “Permesso Di Soggiorno Part Two

  • AB

    Hi,

    I also had my fingerprints taken on February 15. At what date did you have your fingerprints taken?

    And did you check the status of yours online? When I do, I get some weird message. Please advise what do you get when you check online for the status?

    Thanks,
    AB

    Reply
  • Hi AB.
    I did mine on the 23rd. What weird message did you get?

    My status is still processing.

    Fox

    Reply
  • Arbind Bhagat

    Hi Fox,

    I get this message: “This residence permit is not present in the archive.”
    I am checking it on this site:
    http://questure.poliziadistato.it/stranieri/?mime=1&lang=EN

    Are you also checking on the same site above? If so, can you write the exact message that you get? I am worried if my case has some documentation issues. Please advise.

    Thanks,
    AB

    Reply
  • Hey AB, I’m getting the same message. I can only assume that it means we aren’t processed yet. I’ll investigate and get back if I find out anything.

    I do know that it takes between 6-8 weeks, so you surely won’t be in the system yet.

    Hope that helps.
    Fox

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  • Arbind Bhagat

    Hi Fox,
    I personally think that message appears if there is anything wrong.

    I think so because, if everything is correct, then it gives the message like this:
    “residence permit is being processed.”
    I checked that with a known good number “061427508619” , and it does give the “residence permit is being processed.” message.

    If I were in Italy, I would try to contact them and find out the exact status, before it is too late. But I am currently in Netherlands.

    So, I would be really grateful to you if you could try to contact them and find out if there is anything wrong with the application. And please, please, please, let me know what they say, as I am really worried about it.

    Thanks,
    AB

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    • AB, I just checked and I’m still “Residence permit position: residence permit is being processed.”

      What number are you trying?
      Mine is alphanumeric… 16FI00… etc

      Reply
      • Arbind Bhagat

        Hi Fox,
        Interesting…. as mine is only numeric. So, I think I may be using a wrong number. On the receipt from the post office, there are “User ID” and “Password” , and I am using that “Password” for checking the online status.

        Am I supposed to use another code? Please advise.

        Thanks,
        AB

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        • Hi AB.

          The number I have is on the ‘Ufficio Immigrazione – Questura Di Firenze’ document.
          I think you are using the wrong number too.

          On the reverse side of this document is the ‘Copia da allegare alla pratica’.

          You should have received this document when you went to the Sportello and had your initial appointment.

          I hope this helps a bit. If you can’t find it, you might need to try and email them and see where that number is gone, but from what I can see, it is definitely alphanumeric.
          Fox

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  • I’m sorry AB, I wish I could help you. I’m sure you can appreciate that firstly, they wouldn’t give me information on your behalf, understandably.
    I wouldn’t even consider calling them by phone, you have already seen what the queues are like in person, on the phone, they just hang up on you!
    Fox

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  • Arbind Bhagat

    Hi Fox,
    I didn’t mean that you get the information on MY behalf. I meant that, when you have the information on your behalf, please share it with me, as it is possible that the problem that your file has (if any) may match with my problem as well, since the status of both of us is the same when checked online.

    And, thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it.

    Thanks,
    AB

    Reply
  • Hi AB, I will for sure.

    I don’t think you should worry as it takes 6-8 weeks and for you it has been less than 4 weeks, right? Give them another 2 weeks and then see if the response changes.

    Fox

    Reply
  • xian

    Thank for the post mine says processing too and it ben alredy two month

    Reply
    • Arbind Bhagat

      Hi xian,
      Are you using the “Password” mentioned in the post-office-receipt to check the status online? If not, please let me know what type of code are you using to check the status online so that I could confirm if I am also using the correct code.

      Thanks,
      AB

      Reply
      • Katim

        Hi did you get your permission yet?

        Reply
          • Hey AB, that’s great. Mine is still processing. 3 months now. Did you have to do the Civil Life in Italy course?

          • arbind_bhagat

            No, I didn’t have to do any such course. Which city are you located currently?

          • Florence. How interesting you didn’t have to. How did you get notified when yours was ready?

          • arbind_bhagat

            As I mentioned in the first post, I had been getting error while checking the status online. And the error was there since the first day. Then, after around a month, I called them via telephone, and after LOTS of tries, a kind lady finally picked up the phone, and upon inquiry, she informed me that the permit was ready for collection.

          • Thanks for the advice. I don’t know who to call but will give that a shot on Monday. Mine says processing so maybe stuck like yours.

          • Katim

            That is quick. I have only been about 3 weeks but they said it might take 5

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